This year, right now... if Dart started from week one and Sean Peyton was our head coach and Vance Joseph was our defensive coordinator, would this not be a playoff team? Even without Nabers.
Same situation and substitute KOC and Brian Flores... OR Sean McVay and Chris Shula.... or Kyle Shanahan and Robert Saleh...
Yes this teams has holes. And yes this team has a TON of talent that is being very badly coached, especially on the defensive side.
We're not 10 players away from being a playoff team, we're a coaching staff from it.
Thoughts?
Why is that?
Now its the coaching is failing everyone else
This team is built on the wrong foundation. You win games on the line of scrimmage.
This team cannot win on the offensive or defensive line.
- Ben McAdoo (now Sr. Defensive Assistant with the Pats)
- Pat Shurmur (just demoted from OC by Deion)
- Joe Judge (now a Quarterbacks Coach with Ole Miss)
- Brian Daboll
Notice how the first 3 aren't head coaches anymore? That'll be Daboll soon, too. And why?
Because these jokers should never have been head coaches at all. They weren't qualified.
And those are the guys we chose because we had nobody else to choose from.
- Ben McAdoo (now Sr. Defensive Assistant with the Pats)
- Pat Shurmur (just demoted from OC by Deion)
- Joe Judge (now a Quarterbacks Coach with Ole Miss)
- Brian Daboll
Notice how the first 3 aren't head coaches anymore? That'll be Daboll soon, too. And why?
Because these jokers should never have been head coaches at all. They weren't qualified.
And those are the guys we chose because we had nobody else to choose from.
This is moronic thinking... There are 32 head coaching jobs and maybe 6 will be available. There are probably 50 people trying to grab one of those. You are a complete fool if you think ANY coach would turn down the opportunity to be our head coach and to mentor Jaxson Dart.
Nabers, Dart, Skatt, Burns, Dex, Andrew Thomas... all better than "good" players. They are all pro type of players... Yeah I know, Dex isn't having a great year. Still a great player.
In the good category, Abdul Carter (and he may become great), Tracy, Holland, Eluemunor, Kayvon, Robinson.
This is WAY more then enough talent to contend for a playoff spot if they are being coached right.
And there are a handful of guys like Mbow, Flott and others that are developing.
[quote] Jones was a franchise QB and everyone else is failing him
Now its the coaching is failing everyone else
Uhh, have you seen Daniel Jones with the Colts? Bringing him up is at best an odd way to bolster that argument right now.
LT
WR
RB
Edge (2-3)
DT
Ive been asking this question as well
You are not off on your prediction at all.
Coughlin was languishing until he made adjustments to his coaching style and also brought in Spagnuolo as his DC in 2007.
Vrabel has mostly the same team. Ben Johnson has mostly the same team. Liam Cohen has mostly the same team. Steichen got Anarumo and the mostly the same defense (until they added Gardner at the deadline).
This doesn't mean Schoen has been perfect but the foundation of a strong roster is present.
Instead, this thread is embarrassing because if you are Pat Hanlon, why are you here? What are you achieving? If BBI is not a representative sample of Giants fan public opinion, then why even bother talking to the posters here. And if it is representative, then why not take people's complaints seriously instead of condescending to them constantly and telling the fans, who continue to buy seats and merchandise, "oh you guys are idiots".
It's actually infuriating. If the Maras are making money hand over fist despite providing a shit product for a decade plus, then they should just enjoy their damn money. It's insulting to have someone working for the Giants organization come here and lecture us about our ignorance. Intolerable.
This is a total coaching failure. For 50 minutes they crushed the "vaunted" Broncos and had smacked around the Eagles and Chargers.
There is enough talent on this team to push for a playoff spot. Yes there are holes as there are on other teams. This is not close to a Champ team.
But the only coaches I would keep are Bricillo, Ghobrial, Patterson and Tierney. And yes I would find another GM.
The problem lies with the upper FO and the inability to find a real HC. They got close on the GM, but he has persistent warts.
The defense has talent at Edge Rushers, but not much else at other spots. Dex seems out of shape, Okereke has been terrible, and McFadden has been out all year. The secondary has not played well either.
The chances of making the playoffs were gone once Nabers was lost for the season. He’s the only guy on the team that put fear in other teams.
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Where is the evidence of this???
Nabers, Dart, Skatt, Burns, Dex, Andrew Thomas... all better than "good" players. They are all pro type of players... Yeah I know, Dex isn't having a great year. Still a great player.
In the good category, Abdul Carter (and he may become great), Tracy, Holland, Eluemunor, Kayvon, Robinson.
This is WAY more then enough talent to contend for a playoff spot if they are being coached right.
And there are a handful of guys like Mbow, Flott and others that are developing.
Mongos gonna mongo...
The defense has talent at Edge Rushers, but not much else at other spots. Dex seems out of shape, Okereke has been terrible, and McFadden has been out all year. The secondary has not played well either.
The chances of making the playoffs were gone once Nabers was lost for the season. He’s the only guy on the team that put fear in other teams.
Seeing what passes for "talent" on other teams leads me to think we have more than we are getting out of them.
Easiest to point out the poor talent and they help to drag down those around them.
They didn't have Nabers when they beat the Eagles and kicked the shit out of the Broncos until Bowen showed up.
A lot of what I see is squarely on Daboll, Bowen and Kafka.
Look in the mirror, Pat. Your clown makeup is showing.
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No good head coach worth a damn wants to coach here and have to deal with the nepotistic bullshit and Mara-Tisch gridlock in the front office. That wasn't always the case, but it certainly is since Coughlin was fired and snubbed Mara. How else do you explain this?
- Ben McAdoo (now Sr. Defensive Assistant with the Pats)
- Pat Shurmur (just demoted from OC by Deion)
- Joe Judge (now a Quarterbacks Coach with Ole Miss)
- Brian Daboll
Notice how the first 3 aren't head coaches anymore? That'll be Daboll soon, too. And why?
Because these jokers should never have been head coaches at all. They weren't qualified.
And those are the guys we chose because we had nobody else to choose from.
This is moronic thinking... There are 32 head coaching jobs and maybe 6 will be available. There are probably 50 people trying to grab one of those. You are a complete fool if you think ANY coach would turn down the opportunity to be our head coach and to mentor Jaxson Dart.
Hey mongo,
Why don't you tell the Maras to GTFO of Football Ops. Maybe then we'd have a chance. Pendejo.
Bad poetry aside, you're premise couldnt be more off base. Yes, the coaching sucks. but roster does too.
Remember when Coughlin made the playoffs in 2005 and 2006 and had to beg for his job in 2007? We need to raise the bar back to that level.
Before I read one reply this was my immediate reaction LOL.
- Ben McAdoo (now Sr. Defensive Assistant with the Pats)
- Pat Shurmur (just demoted from OC by Deion)
- Joe Judge (now a Quarterbacks Coach with Ole Miss)
- Brian Daboll
Notice how the first 3 aren't head coaches anymore? That'll be Daboll soon, too. And why?
Because these jokers should never have been head coaches at all. They weren't qualified.
And those are the guys we chose because we had nobody else to choose from.
This year we may get lucky despite ownership. Supply may be greater than overall demand. It seems to be a bumper crop of intersting and potentially eager quality candidates to be promoted.
The defense is a mess. UFA additions up front were predictably not good, those pricey add-ons in the secondary were preventable and beaten to death here. Significant needs on all three levels of the defense, and they're struggling to fill them smartly. Playing whackamole won't cut it.
It seems to be a bumper crop of intersting and potentially eager quality candidates to be promoted. And we have some frontline talent in cornerstone spots both on offense and defense that will also attract them.
Kinda like Ben Johnson looking at all that offensive talent plus the probable promise by their GM he would give him another 1st round offensive weapon (turned to be Loveland) if he came on board.
List in pretty close order....
1. Kubiak (love him as an offensive mind kind of another Father/Son combo like the Shanahans)
2. Joe Brady (doing more with less than Daboll did when he had an in the prime Diggs)
3. Spagnuolo with Mike MacDonald as OC- Defense would be light years better and MacDonald would have a field day of we add another WR round 1 of this draft.
4. Kingsberry
5. Kiffin
Others:
Minter
Todd Monken
Bobby Slowik
Offensive minded coach is usually the preferred route bc if you bring in an OC that succeeds he is usually hired as a HC in 1 to 2 years.
Also the guy we chased very hard before he chose the Titans (a decision he probably regrets) Dennard Wilson will likely be available as a DC candidate as well.
Remember when Coughlin made the playoffs in 2005 and 2006 and had to beg for his job in 2007? We need to raise the bar back to that level.
E.g. the Jets, before they blew it up, had Sauce Gardner, Quinnen Williams, Garrett Wilson, Breece Hall, AVT, and probably a couple others I’m forgetting
This is Pat Hanlon.
Looks like he was told by his masters that it is ok to start pushing Daboll out of the boat.