I get the lawsuit crap, but is he blackballed, prohibited from any coaching job? If anybody could fix this mess, it’s him. Either you want a winner or you don't. He brings the same enthusiasm, skill set and winning mentality that Dart brings, so what are the arguments against him?
These owners stick together. Not one of them is even considering him while that lawsuit is hanging over their heads, and he doesn’t seem to have any interest in settling, I dont think its about the money for Gruden it’s about clearing his name and getting to the bottom of who railroaded him and leaked only his emails.
There is zero percent chance any NFL team hires him with that lawsuit still going on, not even worth discussing
Flores is, too, for a similar reason.
But the end result is still the same. I keep saying it over and over again - no good coach wants to coach here.
We keep finding ways to disqualify or alienate good coaches, and yet the last four guys we've hired for the vaunted, glorified HC position of the NY Giants are all bums.
Prove me wrong. Show me a great coach who actually wants to be here. I'm waiting.
Flores is, too, for a similar reason.
But the end result is still the same. I keep saying it over and over again - no good coach wants to coach here.
We keep finding ways to disqualify or alienate good coaches, and yet the last four guys we've hired for the vaunted, glorified HC position of the NY Giants are all bums.
Prove me wrong. Show me a great coach who actually wants to be here. I'm waiting.
Ehh, I think a lot of the “no one wants to coach here” stuff is because we haven’t had a team ready to attract a top candidate. Since prime Eli and awesome DL we’ve had nothing but shit. Someone good is going to want to coach Dart, hitting on him is huge.
And I already know that none of the top talent coaches in the football universe - the guys who have multiple teams chasing them to be their next HC - would choose this place if they had other options.
The only coaches who choose to be here (since Tom Coughlin) are the ones for whom there are no other HC opportunities in the NFL. Don't you get it? Even though this SHOULD be a great job, it's a shit job because of who you have to work for. You are set up to fail.
The HC of the NY Giants is like a CRO at a SaaS Company. Everyone knows they have an expiration date.
There you go.
There's a reason Goodell wanted revenge on him and leaked those emails. He wanted him out of the league permanently for what he said about him. Mission accomplished.
Plus Gruden wasn't a very good HC. He's just a name everyone knows because he won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team his first year in Tampa. He coached 10 more years and never won another playoff game.
His last double-digit win season was 2005.
And Rex Ryan. Please!
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There may need to be a moratorium on Gruden or Belichick threads.
And Rex Ryan. Please!
Please, make it stop.
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There may need to be a moratorium on Gruden or Belichick threads.
And Rex Ryan. Please!
The problem is that John Mara may be following a thought process similar to many of these posters, which is "who is a guy who won a bunch that needs work?"
He's a lawyer so even he would know not to hire Gruden, and he probably hates Rex because he was with the Jets. But BB? He may be pining for that one.
Maybe his girlfriend could be GM?
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There may need to be a moratorium on Gruden or Belichick threads.
And Rex Ryan. Please!
The problem is that John Mara may be following a thought process similar to many of these posters, which is "who is a guy who won a bunch that needs work?"
He's a lawyer so even he would know not to hire Gruden, and he probably hates Rex because he was with the Jets. But BB? He may be pining for that one.
Maybe his girlfriend could be GM?
This is why I am convinced it will be Hafley. A BC background may as well be a blood relation.
Flores is, too, for a similar reason.
But the end result is still the same. I keep saying it over and over again - no good coach wants to coach here.
We keep finding ways to disqualify or alienate good coaches, and yet the last four guys we've hired for the vaunted, glorified HC position of the NY Giants are all bums.
Prove me wrong. Show me a great coach who actually wants to be here. I'm waiting.
You're wrong. Just because Mara didn't try or didn't roll out the red and blue carpet for an established HC the last 10 years doesn't mean they won't come here. Also, this isn't 2019. This isn't 2022.
Young talented QB. Young blue chip talent on defense and the stud (injured) WR and a star left tackle. You're high if you think someone wouldn't want to come here and win big in this town. This is as ripe a situation to win in as any in the NFL, albeit with some youthful challenges.
Also, EVERY SINGLE VET HC that has coached under any and all Maras goes out of their way to praise this this franchise and ownership group. At some point we're going to need to acknowledge what every single reputable person says about the Maras and ignore the bullshit.
Just because Mara has hired the wrong people since 2016 doesn't mean the right person doesn't want to come here and coach.
DECENT in his first stint in oakland!?!? The “Dungys players” argument is so silly. It’s so silly no matter who it is when people say well he won with someone elses players. Well why didnt Dungy win with those players if the coach doesn’t matter?
Gruden was excellent in his first stint in Oakland. They got screwed by an awful rule against Pats. Made deep runs otherwise too. Just because they didnt win the super bowl there doesn’t mean his first stint was just “decent”. We’d do cart wheels to have that kind of success these days
Lost the AFC title game in 2000 to the best defense in NFL history on a crazy long Shannon Sharpe touchdown and then got screwed by the tuck rule in 2001.
Describing his first stint in Oakland as decent means you can’t be objective when it comes to Gruden because if you were you would never describe his first stint in Oakland as decent.