Who would you want as the next General Manager ?

unless their is a no brainer GM sitting at home, which there is not, you have to hire the best person. There are NFL offices that are very good at manipulating the rules to getting edges, that is where we need to mine. Not some guy sitting at home who has failed elsewhere.

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In comment 17001884 JonC said:

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Why Peters? The Skins were a fluke team last year carried by Daniels. The rest of the team isn't very good and their record is all of one game better than the Giants.

available. The next best thing is to examine GM trees so to speak. Granted that backfired with Schoen coming from the Buffalo tree. I'm partial to Ozzie Newsome and the Ravens but currently Greenbay, Steelers, Kansas City and the Lions seem to have a knack for drafting talent.

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In comment 17001887 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 17001884 JonC said: Quote: doh Why Peters? The Skins were a fluke team last year carried by Daniels. The rest of the team isn't very good and their record is all of one game better than the Giants.

Exactly. And their strategy has been to sign old guys and trade draft picks for old guys. Daniels is great, but that roster is pretty bad and way older than it should be.

Identifying players who fits the system and styles I'd like to emulate. A rugged defense and running game are an excellent foundation for success.

I wouldn't bet against him finding his way with Wash, he is a first time GM.

Look at his picks with the Jets. He was really good outside of QB and we have one. Proven guy, with background from the Eagles Org. I'd be excited about bringing him in

sat at the decision making table with Howie Roseman

of GM and HC.

I want a HC to be both, or the GM to report to the HC.

If they go the retread route, which I would because they (seemingly) already have the QB on his first deal. There's no 2-3 year process now, you need someone with experience whose down it before and can immediately make moves to put this team in the playoffs.

made a good case for Dorsey before. Focus on someone who wants to build inside/out and has a good record of identifying OL/Front 7 personnel. Values being a very good running team (via RB's) and one that can stop the run. Just doing that will lead to better results.

Things can still look a lot worse for the Giants and Schoen but for now I see him coming back. The question may be who is going to want to coach with Schoen and who ultimately winds up being HC.

How many of the final 8 games of this year do you think the Giants will win? I think 2 might be a stretch unless Washington and Dallas tank the last two games.

Let's say they win 3? At 5-12 in year 4 Schoen gets to stay as GM? That would make his record 14-37 for the past 3 years. How can they bring him back with that record?

Three names off the top of my head -

Ray Agnew - Lions assistant GM who was in the Rams front office before that. Former Giant player. Very attractive idea implementing someone who has downloaded info from those two teams.

Mike Greenberg - 16 years with the Bucs (probably the most underrated FO in the league) the last 3 years as assistant GM

Matt Berry - 17 years in the Seahawks FO, currently their senior director of player personnel. Ran college scouting for 7 years there.

The last two are attractive names because they've been mainstays in organizations who have consistently drafted well and put out winning teams.

In comment 17001966 bw in dc said:

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of GM and HC. I want a HC to be both, or the GM to report to the HC.

This. Ideally I’d hire the HC and then have the HC have input on who the general manager will be. GM is support staff for the HC.

2-4 wins. If they lose both remaining NFCE division games I hope that means Schoen goes as well if the plan is for now to stick with him while dumping Daboll.

Some nice considerations mentioned Grit.

as they all seem to be largely dopes in suits who get lucky or not. Felt the same way about Schoen, but at best he is unlucky. I just want a GM who says I'm just the designated shopper for the coaches, no more of this switching back and forth between zone/man schemes and 3 high priced WLBs, there seems to be a genuine disconnect between coaches and GM.

in the men's bathroom. Door pops open and one is vacated for me. Out walks Thomas Dimitroff. I think it was a sign!

Who else?

he's genuinely a based dude with some sharp football takes. I do not get that impression at all with Schoen.

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the rat from the kids playground

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I'm not convinced Schoen will get fired even though he should, but I think Daboll is dunzo here.

In comment 17002082 FranknWeezer said:

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in the men's bathroom. Door pops open and one is vacated for me. Out walks Thomas Dimitroff. I think it was a sign!

A good one or a bad one?

Because you very easily go with the bad one... ;)

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In comment 17001966 bw in dc said:

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of GM and HC. I want a HC to be both, or the GM to report to the HC.

I agree, but you need a rock star HC. Who is that guy, and would he come to the Giants when he would likely have better opportunities?

In comment 17002022 GiantGrit said:

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If they go the retread route, which I would because they (seemingly) already have the QB on his first deal. There's no 2-3 year process now, you need someone with experience whose down it before and can immediately make moves to put this team in the playoffs.

Both solid choices and guys with enough cache to tell the Mara's to pound sand when they tried to meddle. Which is why it will ever happen.

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In comment 17001966 bw in dc said: Quote: of GM and HC. I want a HC to be both, or the GM to report to the HC. I agree, but you need a rock star HC. Who is that guy, and would he come to the Giants when he would likely have better opportunities?

Circling back on this, the one guy I can think of is Lane Kiffin. Granted, his first NFL go-around didn't turn out too well, but he was really young, and had to deal with a likely demented Al Davis and a dysfunctional Raiders' org.

He would command a big chunk of change, not sure the Mara's would be willing to pony up that kind of cash, but maybe it's his dream to make it in the NFL like his father.

are extremely, extremely rare. I've tried to have AI search for this me multiple times and it can only come up with nine names that have GM'd two teams (it actually lists 10 but I think it's because when the Raiders moved cities that it got confused about it being 'two' teams and even states that). There may be more that it didn't find for whatever reason (maybe pre-merger?) but I doubt it's many.

Funny enough, two of the nine were GM of the Giants. Accorsi and Gettleman. And only three of the nine were GM on three teams, including Accorsi.

GMs generally only get one shot. Searching for a GM that has 'experience' is not a good requirement to depend on.

I asked the AI how many NFL GMs have there been total across all teams and it spit 'approximately' 211. Again, it's AI, the number may be inaccurate but I can't imagine it's that far off. So only ~9 of ~211 individuals have been GM for more than one team.

In comment 17002312 darren in pdx said:

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are extremely, extremely rare. I've tried to have AI search for this me multiple times and it can only come up with nine names that have GM'd two teams (it actually lists 10 but I think it's because when the Raiders moved cities that it got confused about it being 'two' teams and even states that). There may be more that it didn't find for whatever reason (maybe pre-merger?) but I doubt it's many. Funny enough, two of the nine were GM of the Giants. Accorsi and Gettleman. And only three of the nine were GM on three teams, including Accorsi. GMs generally only get one shot. Searching for a GM that has 'experience' is not a good requirement to depend on.

Which kind of supports my theory that GMs are largely dopes in suits who just get lucky or unlucky. Compare to HCs, some you can identify as proven winners and some that will clearly be garbage at the time of hire like Mcadoo and Judge.

Hiring a CEO Head coach and let the coach hire the GM. It goes against what we’ve had here, but we need change in this organization. Are old ways are not working.

is gonna schmooze his way back next year. So what’s the use?