can we play Evan Neal at RG? Give it a try?

the staff doesn't want to expose Dart to further exposure by installing the human turnstile of pass blocking.

Just too much downside...

next season either. We didn't exercise his 5th year option, we did with Thibs. All starting him would do would be mess with chemistry while developing him for another team.

In practice and camp already, no? And it was probably so bad, that they'd rather not risk it in an actual game. Dufus has been inactive (healthy scratch!) for the past 9 games, I think that tells us what we need to know.

Neal is a lost cause.

we give some backups some burn to see if they’re ready. But Neal seems finished at this point

Against backups too. No shot you just throw him in there during real games.

he either

A) wasn't good enough to protect any QB at RG/or RT in which case, this is a professional football team- you just cut him prior to the season starts

or

B) he's been a "developmental" RG in which case now is your last chance to ever play him before he's a FA


If it's A and Joe is too afraid to cut him at the beginning of the season due to the "optics" then there a bigger problem.

Play Neal. Give it a go. Banks and Hyatt are done, why not try one last time before you just quit on the 7th pick in draft and get absolutely nothing for him.

1) Neal obviously has not convinced the Giants he should play ahead of Van Roten.
2) I doubt they got any serious offers for or even serious talk about trading for Neal at the deadline.
3) Even with Neal Active for the 49er game, the Giants would not put him in for a single snap.

It would appear that the Giants either do not think he is ready yet or have already decided to let him walk in the offseason. In either case, why would any other team want to trade for him when they can simply wait to sign him for peanuts in the offseason?

Possible: the Giants may just release him in the next few weeks. If someone else picks him up, the Giants will save a little bit of money against the Cap.

who thought Daniel Jones was "Done" last year...

Amazing what a change of scenery can do for a guy who has been completely written off

looked terrible in the preseason at guard against third and fourth stringers who were likely just PS players. He has bad feet, is top heavy, and poor lateral agility and mobility. The whole idea of moving him to guard was to try and minimize those negatives. But even inside the game at this level is too fast for him. He also can't really pull.

Neal will only play if there is a rash of OL injuries over the next few weeks. Otherwise, he'll never leave the bench. I think this past week was in fact the first game that he was active. As somebody said, the Giants coaches are probably rightly concerned he'll get Dart killed if he plays.

could be a situation where Schoen thinks he's useful and Daboll recognizes the obvious, and so just inactivates him, which is the best he can do.

get Dart killed because in year 4 we have to see if he has it

In comment 17002280 robbieballs2003 said:

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get Dart killed because in year 4 we have to see if he has it

Daniel Jones has "it" in year 7

would LOVE to do nothing more than to prove that Neal wasn't a wasted pick? If he showed ANYTHING, they'd be rushing him out there at the first opportunity.

Since the far greater likelihood is that he hasn't shown anything in practice, do you really want to jeopardize Dart's health by playing Neal?

In comment 17002285 fish3321 said:

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In comment 17002280 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: get Dart killed because in year 4 we have to see if he has it Daniel Jones has "it" in year 7

You think Jones looks great because he's in year 7 or because he has had different coaching and systems over the last 2 years. Your comment is ridiculous.

and they see him every day, and failed to beat out Van Roten. That should provide a clue. Neal is basically done here, unless there's an injury and he's the last resort. For whatever reason, he just did failed to get it done.

Not unlike Jones with NYG, he was awful here for the most part.

He can't block. I understand he once could and was a high draft pick, but he can't block. The Giants should be protecting Dart as best they can, not risk getting him hurt to give Neal a 15th chance.

He's a terrible football player who is a liability on every snap at any position. Why would we try that?

If there was any hope of Neal getting reps, you would think that the team would have activated him and let him come in on special teams or short yardage plays as an extra OL. They haven't. Why would they put him in at RG now for 60+ plays and expose Dart to inside rushers when there is someone playing at a higher level at RG?

but when he signs a one year vet min contract this off season with a run heavy team, like Broncos, cowboys, SF, GB and actually becomes start-able some of you will have to admit we have a talent development problem, not a talent identification problem....

Time will tell...

shoving Turnstile Neal out there to "see what he can do" solves nothing except, "shit, we tried!".

In comment 17002327 fish3321 said:

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but when he signs a one year vet min contract this off season with a run heavy team, like Broncos, cowboys, SF, GB and actually becomes start-able some of you will have to admit we have a talent development problem, not a talent identification problem.... Time will tell...

You are very dense. Who is disagreeing with us having a developmental issue? You want to start Neal just to start him. So, what is it because now you are making less sense now than your opening post. Is it that we should give him his millionth chance or is it that we have a developmental issue? If you are saying it is a developmental issue, then your opening post makes no sense. We also don't need to wait for Neal to play better away from the Giants. We have plenty of evidence of ex-Giants playing better in other situations. So, what is the point of this thread? Is it just to bitch?

comment screwed him here. That was such a weird out of character comment from him too as he generally seems like a nice guy with decency.

Obviously his way of dealing with criticism was to rationalize it as coming from morons, which is likely more or less what he heard from supportive friends/family/teammates.

If your position is you want to play the backups to see what we have, then fine play them. However Neal is not a backup, he is a backups backup. If his names was not Neal you wouldn't even bring him up. Lets play the backups, the guys who beat Neal out.

In comment 17002339 robbieballs2003 said:

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In comment 17002327 fish3321 said: Quote: but when he signs a one year vet min contract this off season with a run heavy team, like Broncos, cowboys, SF, GB and actually becomes start-able some of you will have to admit we have a talent development problem, not a talent identification problem.... Time will tell... You are very dense. Who is disagreeing with us having a developmental issue? You want to start Neal just to start him. So, what is it because now you are making less sense now than your opening post. Is it that we should give him his millionth chance or is it that we have a developmental issue? If you are saying it is a developmental issue, then your opening post makes no sense. We also don't need to wait for Neal to play better away from the Giants. We have plenty of evidence of ex-Giants playing better in other situations. So, what is the point of this thread? Is it just to bitch?

Neal has played ZERO snaps in the NFL at RG. Not sure how zero snaps at a new position equates to his "millionth chance." My point is Giants spent all of season allegedly developing him into a RG now youre too afraid to even try him out...Why not give it a shot?... or well just wait until the off season and some other team will...

In comment 17002344 mittenedman said:

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comment screwed him here. That was such a weird out of character comment from him too as he generally seems like a nice guy with decency. Obviously his way of dealing with criticism was to rationalize it as coming from morons, which is likely more or less what he heard from supportive friends/family/teammates.

100% agree. He was doomed the moment those words came out of his mouth. And if we had a smart GM, he would have been traded then, too, because his value was much higher then than it is now.

Another multi-error screw up for Joe Schoen.
- Drafted the bum
- Didn't trade the bum when his value peaked and he disrespected the fan base
- Allowed the bum to take up a roster spot when our OL stinks
- Couldn't even trade the bum for something tangible before he inevitably walks out the door to help another team

Rinse, repeat.

at least the OP isn't pining for a guy on the practice squad. On the other, don't you think that if Neal had a chance to be better than Van Roten they would give it a shot? That was the idea last spring, that Neal would replace him.

Is Ezeudu. He actually looked like he was making progress in the preseason.
Activate him, try him at LG. If successful, that’s one less hole to fill for next year.

In comment 17002354 fish3321 said:

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In comment 17002339 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: In comment 17002327 fish3321 said: Quote: but when he signs a one year vet min contract this off season with a run heavy team, like Broncos, cowboys, SF, GB and actually becomes start-able some of you will have to admit we have a talent development problem, not a talent identification problem.... Time will tell... You are very dense. Who is disagreeing with us having a developmental issue? You want to start Neal just to start him. So, what is it because now you are making less sense now than your opening post. Is it that we should give him his millionth chance or is it that we have a developmental issue? If you are saying it is a developmental issue, then your opening post makes no sense. We also don't need to wait for Neal to play better away from the Giants. We have plenty of evidence of ex-Giants playing better in other situations. So, what is the point of this thread? Is it just to bitch? Neal has played ZERO snaps in the NFL at RG. Not sure how zero snaps at a new position equates to his "millionth chance." My point is Giants spent all of season allegedly developing him into a RG now youre too afraid to even try him out...Why not give it a shot?... or well just wait until the off season and some other team will...

You have obviously never played football at a competitive level. The Giants aren't afraid. Neal hasn't earned shit. It's that simple and I hate this staff.

This guy can't even pass Stinnie on the depth chart. The last thing I want is him to be playing in front of Dart.

But, now, if we were going to experiment with someone new at RG, it would be either Eluemunor or Mbow, with the other playing RT.

The Giants need receiver help. Why not?

Is Eli Apple available? The Giants have injuries in the secondary. Why not?

Daniel Bellinger was hurt. Are Adrien Robinson or Larry Donnell reachable?

In comment 17002367 Dave on the UWS said:

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Is Ezeudu. He actually looked like he was making progress in the preseason. Activate him, try him at LG. If successful, that’s one less hole to fill for next year.

Agreed. I hope Ezeudu gets a shot at RG at some point. If he looks ok could bring him back for cheap next as a 3rd G and/or let him compete for starts.

Neal is just not good. He's proven it. This might be his last full season in the league.

Stoutland will at least kick the tires on Neal. If not the Eagles, the Cowboys.

It was just a symptom of his mental frailty. Dude dominated on sheer physical mismatch until he got to the pros. Once he was exposed he beat himself. You saw him fall apart out there.

He can be rebuilt but not here. He has to go somewhere with no expectations and build from ground up. I expect him to be serviceable somewhere in a year or two. He really needs the team psychiatrist like the Doctor from Ted lasso.

As far as playing here, sure when dart is out of the game.

YOU haven't seen Neal play RG and want to see it. The Giants coaches have seen him play RG a lot in practice and I am quite sure they would LOVE to be able to play him, but he is not good enough.