New shill on the payroll

John Mara = Fredo #1
The Nephew = An illegitimate Fredo-esque nephew

as bad as Papa and Banks or SI.

We were lucky we did get Winston though, as Dart said he's a "blessing". Notice Dart didn't want to keep Wilson around.

There is zero evidence of that . But if you play that out, than Schoen should be fired anyway. He didn’t draft Dart and most of picks are fucking trash other than the no brainers like Nabors and Carter

this is fucking funny. Giants are some Temu version of Game of Thrones. The Maras are trying to take credit for one good thing that has happened? Sure, let Chris be the next GM in title instead of behind the scenes. That'll go well.

In comment 17002366 AlexB123! said:

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There is zero evidence of that . But if you play that out, than Schoen should be fired anyway. He didn’t draft Dart and most of picks are fucking trash other than the no brainers like Nabors and Carter

Well to be fair, how could there be evidence of this that we'd be aware of? It's not like they'd just air all this out willingly in a press conference.

Just because there's no evidence a fan would be likely to encounter, doesn't mean no other evidence exists.

nonsense.

It's the Wizard of OZ......

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

of "shill" and "on the payroll" is kind of over the top.

A guy who writes something that's more positive than your take isn't necessarily a "shill." He certainly isn't necessarily "on the payroll." But there is a way that kind of thing happens. It's more subtle but it's pretty bad even with out the "shill on the payroll" stuff.

For those who never worked in journalism or been a beat reporter, here's how it can work:

Every reporter has sources. Beat reporters talk to agents, to executives, to players, to anybody who'll talk. Everybody has an agenda. Reporters know that. It's common for sources to feed a reporter a story they want out there. A competent reporter does their due diligence to check the story, if they can. Usually they want two independent sources but that standard gets fudged sometimes. More on that below.

Beat reporters occasionally write "beat sweeteners" where they write a story to cozy up to a source or sources, and to enhance their reputation among the various people and entities on that beat. Smart editors go along with that but expect to get meatier news in exchange down the line.

So, yeah, sometimes stories appear that are some source's spin. It happens. In the long run, it's supposed to all even out.

But it can also go to extremes.

There was a reporter in my industry who got relatively rich and very successful by cultivating sources and then reporting exactly what a source would tell him, exactly the way the source wanted it. They were one-source stories (a common but sketchy thing). He'd drop big names into the story but if you read carefully you'd realize it was all speculation and wishful thinking. There was hardly any there there. I had to copy-edit his stories sometimes. It was very difficult because he'd tie himself in knots to please whoever planted the story with him, but often they were factually very very thin.

These "exclusives" would routinely get on the front page of the daily (back when dailies and front pages were a thing). Everybody knew a lot of his stories were BS, including his editors, but it kind of worked for everybody. The sources knew they could get their announcement on the front page. He got to be a star reporter, pretty well known within our business. The publication got the benefit of his "exclusives."

Well, it worked until a rival publication threw a bunch of money at him to come do the same thing for them. He got a fat paycheck and a fancy title and they got the benefit of his "exclusives." I always thought it was sort of a racket. I certainly felt he was working for his sources, not for his readers. But he made a bigger name for himself and made a lot more money than I did.

But he took many years to build that racket up, and along the way he did a lot of more substantial reporting. A new guy isn't really in that position.

I wish the Giants spent as much time trying to win football games as they do on PR/defending the Maras.

This is Danny Boy like state media.

Absolutely pathetic.

In comment 17002412 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I wish the Giants spent as much time trying to win football games as they do on PR/defending the Maras. This is Danny Boy like state media. Absolutely pathetic.

Absolutely pathetic that anyone believes this...

Hilarious that he planted this in the Sporting News of all places.

Also makes you wonder if Schoen went rogue on the Post puff piece. Maybe Chris didn't like that one.

In comment 17002409 81_Great_Dane said:

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of "shill" and "on the payroll" is kind of over the top. A guy who writes something that's more positive than your take isn't necessarily a "shill." He certainly isn't necessarily "on the payroll." But there is a way that kind of thing happens. It's more subtle but it's pretty bad even with out the "shill on the payroll" stuff. For those who never worked in journalism or been a beat reporter, here's how it can work: Every reporter has sources. Beat reporters talk to agents, to executives, to players, to anybody who'll talk. Everybody has an agenda. Reporters know that. It's common for sources to feed a reporter a story they want out there. A competent reporter does their due diligence to check the story, if they can. Usually they want two independent sources but that standard gets fudged sometimes. More on that below. Beat reporters occasionally write "beat sweeteners" where they write a story to cozy up to a source or sources, and to enhance their reputation among the various people and entities on that beat. Smart editors go along with that but expect to get meatier news in exchange down the line. So, yeah, sometimes stories appear that are some source's spin. It happens. In the long run, it's supposed to all even out. But it can also go to extremes. There was a reporter in my industry who got relatively rich and very successful by cultivating sources and then reporting exactly what a source would tell him, exactly the way the source wanted it. They were one-source stories (a common but sketchy thing). He'd drop big names into the story but if you read carefully you'd realize it was all speculation and wishful thinking. There was hardly any there there. I had to copy-edit his stories sometimes. It was very difficult because he'd tie himself in knots to please whoever planted the story with him, but often they were factually very very thin. These "exclusives" would routinely get on the front page of the daily (back when dailies and front pages were a thing). Everybody knew a lot of his stories were BS, including his editors, but it kind of worked for everybody. The sources knew they could get their announcement on the front page. He got to be a star reporter, pretty well known within our business. The publication got the benefit of his "exclusives." Well, it worked until a rival publication threw a bunch of money at him to come do the same thing for them. He got a fat paycheck and a fancy title and they got the benefit of his "exclusives." I always thought it was sort of a racket. I certainly felt he was working for his sources, not for his readers. But he made a bigger name for himself and made a lot more money than I did. But he took many years to build that racket up, and along the way he did a lot of more substantial reporting. A new guy isn't really in that position.

Literally 90% of the stuff said here is garbage, dude trying to be funny or the smartest guy in the room....

In comment 17002412 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I wish the Giants spent as much time trying to win football games as they do on PR/defending the Maras. This is Danny Boy like state media. Absolutely pathetic.

Do you actually believe the Giants aren't trying to win? I promise you every loss hurt ownership 100X more than it hurts us. You're fuck!ng pathetic.

In comment 17002455 4xchamps said:
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I wish the Giants spent as much time trying to win football games as they do on PR/defending the Maras.

This is Danny Boy like state media.

Absolutely pathetic.






Do you actually believe the Giants aren't trying to win? I promise you every loss hurt ownership 100X more than it hurts us. You're fuck!ng pathetic. [/quote


The Giants ownership group is the worst in the league. They just pocketed over 100 million. Thanks soooo much for the last 15 years of the worst product in the NFL. Nomkne cares how they “feel”. Have some sense of accountability and hire people who now WTF they are doing football wise


Also these clowns build the absolute worst stadium in the NFL. So yeah. Let’s keep counting all their failures and thank them over and over




And no. They want to play w their toy more than win. Obviously. I hope you’re getting paid like the hack who wrote that fantasy story George RR Martin could be proud of.

Do you think they really care what we think about who is responsible for who drafted which player?