Collins worst QB SB performance this century?

That was easily the best defense of the last 40 years, in addition to the fact that it was played towards the end of the era when traditional defense could be played and offenses weren’t always let off the hook with phantom illegal contacts and roughing the passers.

To me, there is no shame in losing to that team with that unit. Still the best individual unit I’ve watched in my football lifetime.

I recently watched Super Bowl 35 again to focus solely on Collins. There were opportunities for the Giants offense that day. Collins actually started to get it together in the second quarter until his horrible interception near the red zone. Collins was not seeing the field; locked on to what seemed like his first read way too many times when coverage dictated the QB go to a different receiver.

If prime Simms or Manning are the qb, the game is likely much closer with perhaps the Giants being on the side of victory.

The defense played a good game (with the exception of Shaun Williams blowing deep coverage in two plays ). Strahan had a very good game.

To answer the question. I do not know.
I would have to watch all of the worst qb’d games in the history of the league to at least draw a decent conclusion.

But it looks like they didn't use a garbage time filter. I checked up until the 3rd quarter and the stats/metrics match the eye test. LOL

in the century.

Kudos to you for rewatching XXXV. I think I'd rather watch a sex tape of my wife with my most hated coworker, Haha.

lol - I’m old and bored.

even with Simmons not running things.

Like it was a clause in the sale of The Ringer they would continue to punish the Giants after that SB win that denied the Patriots undefeated immortality.

And Simmons a lucrative book deal.

Go Seahawks!

The Giant defense hung in for a while but got frustrated with no offensive help. wore down to some degree, and then let Ravens run right over them to finish out the 4th qtr. Sehorn, specials teams, coaching and the OL also should share in plenty of the blame too...not just Collins.

NY Giant homers will point to the defensive holding call that negated a TD as a pivotal hard luck moment, but that was actually the correct call. Just do your research.

Not a good day all around. But hey, we have won 4 out 5 Super Bowls so that ain't too shabby.

The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach.

Somehow history forgets this fact.

I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor.
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In comment 17097178 wearebigblue1925 said:

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The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach. Somehow history forgets this fact. I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor. Link - ( New Window )

I'll always be perplexed why Fassel didn't switch an injured and shell-shocked Kerry out for Jason Garrett in the second half to try and salvage the game

In comment 17097157 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Kudos to you for rewatching XXXV. I think I'd rather watch a sex tape of my wife with my most hated coworker, Haha.

If only that had been a Giants/Raiders SB instead. It would've been much more competitive.

In comment 17097180 jnoble said:

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The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach. Somehow history forgets this fact. I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor. Link - ( New Window ) I'll always be perplexed why Fassel didn't switch an injured and shell-shocked Kerry out for Jason Garrett in the second half to try and salvage the game

I generally liked Fassel, but that Super Bowl proved to be too big of a moment for him.

In comment 17097183 wearebigblue1925 said:

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In comment 17097180 jnoble said: Quote: The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach. Somehow history forgets this fact. I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor. Link - ( New Window ) I'll always be perplexed why Fassel didn't switch an injured and shell-shocked Kerry out for Jason Garrett in the second half to try and salvage the game I generally liked Fassel, but that Super Bowl proved to be too big of a moment for him.

Toomer was always vocal about how they seemed to come into the game not eager to win but more content that they made it that far, and also the game plan was all wrong. Apparently some of the Ravens saw how worried Kerry looked during warm ups and knew the game was over before it even started.

Was completely intimidated by that team and his buddy Billick

They probably lose 9/10 times anyways, but they lost that game before they played it.

in a while, but I think it was Roethlisberger's first SB where he was pretty awful. The Steelers won, despite his play, but they won so maybe its considered better than Collins.

I was a baby when the 85 Bears did their thing so I can’t comment on them first hand, but that Ravens D was stifling in a way that I’ve never seen anyone come close to since.

Why does this game matter so much still? Big deal.

They lost to one of the best defenses of all time and then won two Super Bowls over the span of approximately 10 years or whatever it was.

Now we have their coach.

Exaggeration that part of the Ravens defense was to jump on the quarterback when they were down.

In comment 17097178 wearebigblue1925 said:

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The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach. Somehow history forgets this fact. I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor. Link - ( New Window )

While the game was not over, it was over before his shoulder was hurt. Collins probably qualified for the worst performance before his ‘injury that didn’t make a difference.’

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Collins said his right shoulder was separated in the third quarter when he was splattered by big defensive tackle Sam Adams but he did not use it as an excuse. “When it happened it kind of hurt but next time I threw a ball I could really feel it. But that was after I’d thrown three or four (interceptions),” he said.

9-21 for 123yds 0tds - 2ints

And they won.

Giants didn't have the OL/run game that matched up. Hard winning games with 13 RB carries and outside of two of those rushes the rushing attack was stifled. Earlier that season the Giants lost to Tenn. (which also had a great D) with the O having a tough day. Kerry takes a lot of heat but Ravens were the superior team at the LoS.

Some of the rankings are off imv.

In comment 17097148 Chris684 said:

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That was easily the best defense of the last 40 years, in addition to the fact that it was played towards the end of the era when traditional defense could be played and offenses weren’t always let off the hook with phantom illegal contacts and roughing the passers. To me, there is no shame in losing to that team with that unit. Still the best individual unit I’ve watched in my football lifetime.

Fassel and Payton deserve no breaks. They were not prepared and neither was the team. I'm NOT saying they should have won. I'm saying they should have shown up 1) without shitting their pants BEFORE the game even started and 2) having some semblence of a gameplan.

Being really bad in a Super Bowl as well. Blocked out most of my memory of that ravens Super Bowl though. I’d also tether watch that guys wife’s sex tape then watch that ever again.

What he faced with that tremendous Baltimore defence is probably the best defence I saw since the LT days.
It didn't matter what the Giants coaching staff did during that game, they weren't beating Ray Lewis and the Ravens in that game.
I was sad for the next several months after that game.

one bad throw by Wilson costing Seattle a ring? No matter how he played the rest of the game, that decision was all time bad.
Didn't Purdy's replacement shit the bed for San Fran?

4-14, 39 yards, 4 INT. He completed as many passes to the Cowboys as he did his own receivers.

The only QB to start a Super Bowl and not complete a single pass. Went 0-6 with a fumble lost before being yanked for Steve Grogan. Legendary OL John Hannah had this to say:

"Tony should wear a skirt instead of a uniform. When he was hurt before we played the Bears in the Super Bowl, we were hoping he’d stay hurt so Steve could play."

Ouch.

missed the "this century" part

that year. For some reason I don't recall, they did not play a Superbowl that year. Beating the Vikings 41-0 was a great way to end that year.

That is what happened and I am not considering alternative facts at this time.

In comment 17097396 Greg from LI said:

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4-14, 39 yards, 4 INT. He completed as many passes to the Cowboys as he did his own receivers.

Morton was also kind of a disaster in Super Bowl V as the QB for the Dallas Cowboys. Throwing 3 interceptions as well in losing this game to the Baltimore Colts.

throw 5 picks just a couple years later?

that 2000 offense scored 328 pts. That's not good. That's why, especially after 02-03 I was done with Collins. He wasn't the very good QB people like to believe, he was merely average. To be fair average was a big upgrade over horrible QBs like Brown, Kannel and Graham. But Collins was still the very embodiment of an NFL average QB. He was good enough to start for some teams, but you want to find a better QB before too long.

Coughlin knew this.

In comment 17097178 wearebigblue1925 said:

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The carnage of that game, Collins separated his shoulder when the game was still in reach. Somehow history forgets this fact. I don't think it makes a difference, but when making judgement calls on worst ever it's a mitigating factor. Link - ( New Window )

That game was over when Collins threw a floater into double coverage when they were in FG range just before halftime.

They could have played 100 quarters with a fully healthy Collins at QB and the offense wasn't going to score a TD.

In comment 17097743 an_idol_mind said:

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throw 5 picks just a couple years later?

Yeah, against their former head coach, too. I’d think he would know what was coming ... since he was there just a year prior and literally knew the players, since he helped .. create that offense? Just maybe.

Gannon threw 2 TDs in that nonsense of a Super Bowl so that will probably save him from a "complete disaster"