Off-season rumors per Anthonybets

I really don’t want to pay that guy $20 mill a year. He’s a good player but nothing great.

they are so interested in WR if they are focused on the trenches.

Who was that gadget player Nagy used so effectively in CHI?

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would be a good idea instead of WR. I like him on the other side of Nabers.

He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL.

unless another team overpays him. The Ravens just hired Ledford, who’s a zone-blocking guru, and that fits Linderbaum really well.

Is going to get paid.

I just think it’s a bad use of resources. Opportunity cost is too high.

You upgrade from a competent C (who’s still “young”) to a better one who makes $15-18m more per season.

So you spend quite a bit of cap, and don’t fill a more pressing need (WR, RG, RT, IDL, LB, CB)

In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said:

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He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL.

Because everyone’s a cap guru and they don’t want to spend money on a center.

We should be going after him and trying to bring back JE imo

have been drying up (at least lately). I don't trust anyone to have accurate info at this point.

Harbaugh just told Gary Myers that they have only begun reviewing free agents.

after this year. Either sign Linderbaum now (remember he carries extra value as a program builder) or pay JMS/go C shopping a year from now.

If Linderbaum’s the guy you want, it makes sense.

enter a bidding war for Linderbaum, I'd say that's a pretty good endorsement of the type of player/person he is. John Harbaugh and Monken know him as well as any coaches.

Affects Kayvon being shopped. Bizarre.

But I rather him at 20mm than to wait a year and look to either spend more capital on a center or pay bigger money for JMS.

That believe the Giants will/do have interest in Alec Pierce regardless of what happens with Wan'Dale. I've heard they want Wan'Dale back and want to sign a big body deep threat to pair with Nabers & Wan'Dale.

A trio of Nabers, Pierce & Wan'Dale is a very very good trio IMO potentially a get trio of WRs.

He has no sources on this as they haven't even started prepping for FA.

It's working for him,he got clicks.

In comment 17097788 Ben in Tampa said:

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Affects Kayvon being shopped. Bizarre.

or what Slayton being resigned last year by Schoen has to to with Robinson being kept on by Harbaugh for that matter.

In comment 17097782 90.Cal said:

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In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL. Because everyone’s a cap guru and they don’t want to spend money on a center. We should be going after him and trying to bring back JE imo

Also because many heard the Talkin' Giants podcast a little while back when they had a Ravens analyst on who thought Linderbaum was pretty average and kind of a liability in the passing game.

buzz makes no sense....what are the Giants going to do with two C only guys? I can't imagine JMS fetches much on the trade market...Are you going to make him the backup?

The OL was solid last year - lots of question marks going into the offseason however.

In comment 17097784 Eric from BBI said:

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have been drying up (at least lately). I don't trust anyone to have accurate info at this point. Harbaugh just told Gary Myers that they have only begun reviewing free agents.

More opportunities from the Player/Player Agent side for leaks when it comes to this stuff.

That said, JMS has been improving and has a year left on his contract and can only play Center. The money would be better spent on the right side of the OL. We need to sign and or draft a RG and RT. Jury still out on Mbow being handed a starting spot.

with the new 'regime' (Schoen is still around but this is Harbaugh's show now). I wouldn't be surprised by any of that. Would prefer Pierce over Wan'dale. Thibs is solid but they may not want to overpay for solid with Burns and Carter. The league is desperate for o-line, someone would be willing to give something up for JMS if Linderbaum is signed, probably a player-for-player trade.

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In comment 17097788 Ben in Tampa said: Quote: Affects Kayvon being shopped. Bizarre. or what Slayton being resigned last year by Schoen has to to with Robinson being kept on by Harbaugh for that matter.

acquire draft resources for drafting WR if Robinson leaves.

If the Giants don't do something about stopping the gashing runs up the middle it won't matter who the C or WR's are.

Obvious FA target....but doubtful.....if it is anymore than assumptions!

In comment 17097796 ZogZerg said:

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He has no sources on this as they haven't even started prepping for FA. It's working for him,he got clicks.

They've started prepping. Free agency is only a month away. Idk if he has sources in the building, but I know for 100% fact that rumors were floating around at the Senior Bowl.

I've heard from an agent and two other teams about players the Giants are supposedly interested in. I have no idea if it's real or how serious the interest is as it didn't come from inside the Giants building.

These are the names I've heard the Giants having interest in. Idk if they are top targets, backup plans or misinformation being put out. As stated above this did not come from anybody in the building.

Linderbaum
Ricard
Alec Pierce
Alohi Gilman
Ar'Darius Washington
Chidobe Awuzie
Jaylen Watson
John Franklin-Myers
Dre'Mont Jones
Likely
Okonkwo
Njoku
Nakobe Dean

Outside of Linderbaum/Pierce it seems they're shopping in the 2nd/3rd tier of players. Obviously they want to bring some Ravens players in.

I'd imagine he's an afterthought with regards to any long-term planning.

I hope there is some truth to the John Franklin-Myers interest. That would clear the way for a Kayvon trade. Burns-Carter-JFM-Golston is a nice rotation off the edge.

Why would we possibly be content with that???

And BTW, JMS is OLDER than Linderbaum

very likely outcomes and playing it off as inside information. Its very likely one or a couple of these things hit and will play it off as he got it right.

He either had somebody connected to the Harbaugh situation or got lucky (not that it was that hard to guess what was going on) and is now playing up his fame for clicks.

He has not gotten one thing correct since Harbaugh.

Isn't a big statement. We were the obvious spot all along. 80% people had JH pegged to NYG, and none of us are insiders. Then he was wrong about the DC and no info on OC.

I don't know what he knows or doesn't, but be careful. I thought all along JH was coming here (as so many other people) and had Wilson was my guess at DC. I'm not an insider, but had I posted that and run with it, suddenly I'm the guy with info.

The pattern is, state something with confidence, stick to it. If things start going away from you, go with "here's an update --so and so also in the mix, but I still think it's the guy I told you". If you're right, you're a certified insider (even though your guess was the same as a million other people). If you're wrong, own it an explain why things changed, many will still believe you --they want to believe.

Obviously this can all happen to people with actual info too (does all the time), but the truth is, most who claim to know stuff, don't.

In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said:

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He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL.

Good run blocker, not even better than average pass block. Gets put on skates by bull rushers. That not good against the NFC East. Too much money for a guy who isn't good or very good at both.

That's the type of relationship that could develop between Jaxson Dart and Tyler Linderbaum. I want the Giants to get him, and I want Isaiah Likely too!

or closer to the trade deadline.

Having multiple pass rushers is not a bad idea especially if injuries occur during training camp, pre-season or early in the season.

team.

Just not sure if Linderbaum is worth the spend.

In comment 17097843 k2tampa said:

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In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL. Good run blocker, not even better than average pass block. Gets put on skates by bull rushers. That not good against the NFC East. Too much money for a guy who isn't good or very good at both.

Based on what is the assessment?

Linderbaum has been graded as a top 5 OC by PFF every year in the league

In a post above about the top 250 FAs he is ranked as the 3rd overall best FA

FA signings for CB, WR, OL. Just the places we have nothing to even put on the field.

In comment 17097853 UberAlias said:

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Just not sure if Linderbaum is worth the spend.

Agreed. Their shopping list might not entirely be addressed this offseason, given what's available in UFA and the draft. But, 20M AAV on a Center ... much rather spend it on a premium position to fill a more urgent hole.

but he does struggles at times against bigger DT's. I do not think that it's wise to invest $25+ million a year on him. I would rather see them draft a G/C on day 3 to develop behind JMS. If JMS takes a step forward then extend him but if not at least there will be a potential replacement behind him. If they want a center in FA they should look at a cheaper option like Connor McGovern.

I would much rather have Pierce than Robinson unless Robinson is willing to accept a contract similar to Slayton which I seriously doubt.

I would rather see the Giants focus on the following FA's:
ILB Quay Walker, Devin Lloyd, or Leo Chenal
G Alijah Vera-Tucker, Zion Johnson, or David Edwards
WR Alec Pierce or Rashid Shaheed
ER Boye Mafe
DT Dre'Mont Jones

In comment 17097794 Big Rick in FL said:

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That believe the Giants will/do have interest in Alec Pierce regardless of what happens with Wan'Dale. I've heard they want Wan'Dale back and want to sign a big body deep threat to pair with Nabers & Wan'Dale. A trio of Nabers, Pierce & Wan'Dale is a very very good trio IMO potentially a get trio of WRs.

Did someone say, wide receiver trio??

who may have different ideas on how to up his game.

The bidding war for Linderbaum sounds already like it will be outrageous and you know what happens when we get into that type of war; overpay, overpay, overpay.

Draft a Center in the later rounds and continue to develop JMS and Schlottman......allocate elsewhere.

Wandale Robinson is a good player, I just cannot pay someone like him anywhere near $15M given his frame and the fact he’s already torn an ACL.

They need to be careful with shopping hungry at some of these spots.

Connor Hughes had 2 different league sources tell him JE’s value should be $7M again or $10M again. I think he’ll get more than that but i’m way more a fan of paying an above average RT $12-14M a year than a 5’9 short armed slot WR $15m a year.

I’d rather see them pay Pierce at WR and find a slot option in the draft

He's played 41 games all of a sudden he's going to get a lot better?

They can keep him as a backup or he's an easy cut. His cap number is 4.3M. He has no guaranteed money left. Cutting him saves 3.8 million with only 400K in dead money.

...letting Pierce reach free agency. At least that's what their GM said.

is just such a huge tendency to overpay FAs. Linderbaum, Pierce, and Robinson will likely be three examples of that this year.

I do want to resign Robinson, but not for $18M+ a year. I would also like to resign Flott, Bellinger, Belton, and McFadden.

I would not resign JE unless it was a very competitive deal, and from what I've read, he wants a big FA contract.

I am fine trading KT for a second or high third-round pick.

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X 10. The data of overpaying for average has to end.

Specifically for an OL, more often than not, it's worth the risk. Even if he isn't stellar in pass pro, he still isn't terrible at it. This isn't Jon Halapio back there.

I also figure they're rebuild some pieces up front on both sides go fit their philosophy. Harbaugh is an aggressive, powerful game whereas Daboll was all finesse. That's how he viewed his structure and it showed. I imagine both Harbaugh and Wilson are looking for some DB's in the draft to fit their mold.

Linderbaum is a force multiplier because he can reach blocks most centers simply cannot.

With an average center, the zone menu condenses quickly. True wide zone becomes difficult to call because the center cannot consistently reach a shaded nose, cross face, or climb cleanly. The offense shifts toward inside zone, duo, and gap concepts where double teams and vertical displacement matter more than range. The playbook tightens and becomes easier to defend.

With a movement center, the full zone system stays available. Reach blocks on 1 techs, overtakes to linebackers, leading screens, and stretch action that actually moves second level defenders. That expands the call sheet and improves efficiency. It is not just better execution. It changes which concepts are viable. That is why Linderbaum functions as a multiplier rather than simply a solid starter.

Add an athletic left guard and a power right guard and the front becomes split personality. The left side handles zone, split, screens, and climbs. The right side handles duo, counter, and short yardage power. Same personnel, different run families, no tells. The center is the piece that allows both styles to coexist.

For Dart, this structure keeps the offense in manageable down and distance, forces safeties into the box, and triggers linebackers into run fits. That creates cleaner coverage pictures and opens play action. Reads stay defined and on schedule instead of constant long dropback situations.

Without that run threat, defenses sit in two high shells and force long underneath drives, which is exactly what stalled offenses under Nagy in Chicago.

The run game is not just yardage. It controls coverage and reduces stress on the quarterback. Linderbaum is probably the best zone blocking center in the nfl. You want to force the defense into moving laterally to defend horizontally rather than just playing downhill.

We know based on the Ravens first round draft history that Harbaugh has a somewhat different take on positional value and where he invests premium resources.

In comment 17097834 HardTruth said:

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Why would we possibly be content with that??? And BTW, JMS is OLDER than Linderbaum

What if John Harbaugh thinks John Michael Schmitz could play OG?

Analysts at the 2023 senior bowl noted that JMS "proved" that he can play guard just as effectively as center.

If so, with Linderbaum, JMS at RG and Bow at RT we could have a solid core to build around.

In comment 17097769 mittenedman said:
[quote] they are so interested in WR if they are focused on the trenches.

Who was that gadget player Nagy used so effectively in CHI? [

Tarik Cohen

In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said:

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He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL.

No he isn't.

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In comment 17097778 Big Rick in FL said: Quote: He's awesome. Top 5 Center in the NFL. No he isn't.

Creed Humphrey is the clear #1. Who are the other four? Lions' Ragnow was up there but he has since retired.

This team has won 7 games total the last two years. The talent is abysmal and needs a serious upgrade. Some of you think Harbaugh steps in and the dreck on the field instantly becomes the Lombardi Packers. There are only three ways to upgrade: trade for it, buy it or draft it. This team needs to employ all of the above.

Quit crying about prices. This is the wages of sin- the Boy Blunder did a lousy job acquiring talent so yeah, you have to pay in the FA market to get better talent. C is as good a place to start as any. JMS can sit on the bench or be cut; he won't be missed.

Pierce is no doubt tired of playing 3rd fiddle to Pittman and Downs. He's an instant #2 and a starter here. There will be competition for him, and we have to pony up. Again, the wages of sin. Njoku is a good target. Squeezed out in Cleveland and would be instant TE#1 here. They may try and re-sign the Smurf; that doesn't mean they are going to pay anywhere close to some of the numbers bandied about here. Our WR room was terrible.

They aren't going to re-sign KT, so the smart thing is trading him and getting some resources.