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WalterFootball: NYG like Reese, Downs, and Love most

Anakim : 1:41 pm
"In speaking with sources, the prospects the Giants currently like the most for the fifth-overall pick are Ohio State linebacker Arvell Reese, Ohio State safety Caleb Downs, and Notre Dame running back Jeremiyah Love."


They're the top-3 guys on my board (not including Jordyn Tyson, who is a mystery due to the injuries -- if he's healthy, he's #2 on my board), so I have no problem with this at all!
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I would take this with a grain of salt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1:43 pm : link
Harbaugh hasn't had time to even focus on the draft yet and he's going to make the pick.
BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1:47 pm : link
it's this point that makes it laughable when Schoen says nothing has changed. Schoen isn't making the pick. He'll have his recommendation. But that's it.
he might already know though  
bc4life : 1:47 pm : link
had to have given it some thought when he was still with the Ravens. so he must have some idea who the top 5 or players are. yes/no?
Dids Schoen always  
bc4life : 1:49 pm : link
make the pick before or was he one of several voices?
RE: Dids Schoen always  
BillT : 1:52 pm : link
In comment 17108805 bc4life said:
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make the pick before or was he one of several voices?

Last year wasn’t it Daboll who prevailed for the Dart pick.
RE: Dids Schoen always  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1:55 pm : link
In comment 17108805 bc4life said:
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make the pick before or was he one of several voices?


Again, the General Manager of the New York Giants has had ultimate authority to make all decisions since 1979.
Walterfootball has no clue  
Who the Giants like the most
RE: he might already know though  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1:55 pm : link
In comment 17108801 bc4life said:
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had to have given it some thought when he was still with the Ravens. so he must have some idea who the top 5 or players are. yes/no?


Do you think John Harbaugh told WalterFootball that?
that's the official authority  
bc4life : 1:59 pm : link
my question was whether, in reality, was its more a participatory decision-making process.

You know one thing that hasn't been mentioned re: Schoen or Daboll. I think it is preferable to not have a rookie GM and HC start at the same time. I mean they're both learning a new job as they go.

have no idea, and don't really give a f***  
bc4life : 2:00 pm : link
but, I think he may have an idea who he will take at # 5
Walter Football knows nothing  
ElitoCanton : 2:08 pm : link
They have not sources with the Giants. They never have. Giving attentions to these idiots is a waste of time.
Pre draft musings.  
solarmike : 2:11 pm : link
Walter Football can blow smoke as well as anyone this early. Fun to read but just too early.
RE: I would take this with a grain of salt  
theone : 2:14 pm : link
In comment 17108796 Eric from BBI said:
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Harbaugh hasn't had time to even focus on the draft yet and he's going to make the pick.
The Giants gave Harbaugh power he didn’t have in Baltimore?
Walterfootball is talking their own board  
EJNNJ : 2:15 pm : link
nothing else there intel wise there imo
RE: RE: I would take this with a grain of salt  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2:24 pm : link
In comment 17108836 theone said:
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Harbaugh hasn't had time to even focus on the draft yet and he's going to make the pick.

The Giants gave Harbaugh power he didn’t have in Baltimore?



(1) I'm not sure how you follow the Giants an not know that Harbaugh has been given full authority here. He has.

(2) Harbaugh has told Ian O'Connor that this is the same set up he had in Baltimore.
Funny!  
Colin@gbn : 2:27 pm : link
I'd agree that I'm not taking comments like these, two months out for the draft, all that seriously. At the same time, though, why the heck wouldn't the Giants have those three guys at the top of their current board. As I mentioned on that earlier post today I have been checking around with my sources and it seems pretty clear that Reese and Love are pretty close to a consensus 1 and 1a among non-QB prospects around the league and Downs is THE wild card, at least in the top 10. Makes perfect sense to me that they would be the top 3 guys on the Giants board at this time. And again Harbaugh has said that he's never made a pick this high and really wants to get a true impact player rather than maybe just fill a position. Time will tell!!
Somehow  
Beer Man : 2:29 pm : link
I just can’t picture Harbaugh sharing the team’s draft board or tipping their preferences to anyone.
RE: RE: RE: I would take this with a grain of salt  
theone : 2:31 pm : link
In comment 17108850 Eric from BBI said:
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Harbaugh hasn't had time to even focus on the draft yet and he's going to make the pick.

The Giants gave Harbaugh power he didn’t have in Baltimore?




(1) I'm not sure how you follow the Giants an not know that Harbaugh has been given full authority here. He has.

(2) Harbaugh has told Ian O'Connor that this is the same set up he had in Baltimore.
I knew the organizational setup was going to be like Baltimore, with him reporting to the owner, but John Harbaugh never had final authority regarding draft picks in Baltimore, that was always Newsome/Decosta. That’s why I asked the question I did. The 2018 master class was Ozzie Newsome (including the decision to trade back into the first for Lamar) and he handed it off to Decosta. That why I asked about the power he didn’t have in Baltimore.
RE: Funny!  
Dankbeerman : 2:35 pm : link
In comment 17108857 Colin@gbn said:
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I'd agree that I'm not taking comments like these, two months out for the draft, all that seriously. At the same time, though, why the heck wouldn't the Giants have those three guys at the top of their current board. As I mentioned on that earlier post today I have been checking around with my sources and it seems pretty clear that Reese and Love are pretty close to a consensus 1 and 1a among non-QB prospects around the league and Downs is THE wild card, at least in the top 10. Makes perfect sense to me that they would be the top 3 guys on the Giants board at this time. And again Harbaugh has said that he's never made a pick this high and really wants to get a true impact player rather than maybe just fill a position. Time will tell!!
Those are also likely to be the 3 may draw the most interest for a trade up.
RE: Harbaugh having final say  
bc4life : 2:38 pm : link
If there was an obstacle to him coming to the Giants -Final say so was it. That and some other organizational changes. He's got the receipts to demand that. And, the state of the Giants really allowed no room for much if any pushback from Owners.
RE: Walterfootball has no clue  
BMac : 2:39 pm : link
In comment 17108815 Big Rick in FL said:
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Who the Giants like the most


Walter Football is the perfect reverse barometer; whatever they say, do the opposite. The George Costanza of sports.
theone  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2:41 pm : link
O'Connor said Harbaugh had final say. Maybe that's changed over time, but Harbaugh is calling the shots.
RE: BTW  
Will Shine : 2:54 pm : link
In comment 17108800 Eric from BBI said:
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it's this point that makes it laughable when Schoen says nothing has changed. Schoen isn't making the pick. He'll have his recommendation. But that's it.


So who will be on the phone (trades etc.)
What I find interesting about the whole Reese deal  
Section_217 : 2:57 pm : link
is that Reese is 6'4/243 and Isaiah Simmons is 6'4/238. They are very, very similar players physically and also very, very similar in terms of the 'can do anything you ask' pre-draft hype. I've also seen some loose comps of Reese v. Parsons but IMO they're not even in the same zip code as players.
Imagine  
GMainer : 2:59 pm : link
Drafting a RB at 5 overall when you have Skatt and Tracy and all-pro caliber LB/S sitting right there.

This would be the biggest throw my remote moment since they drafted Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3:08 pm : link
In comment 17108893 Will Shine said:
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it's this point that makes it laughable when Schoen says nothing has changed. Schoen isn't making the pick. He'll have his recommendation. But that's it.



So who will be on the phone (trades etc.)


Probably Schoen. But again, he's not making the final decision.

Who is actually on the phone doesn't really matter (we've seen Daboll in that role too).
The 3 Best players in the draft?  
Saquon'sQuadz : 3:15 pm : link
I’m shocked
If they take Love with their first pick,  
81_Great_Dane : 3:16 pm : link
even if it's after a trade-down, then Love is going to be positioned as the featured RB, which means either Tracy or Skattebo is probably traded.

I trust Harbaugh so if he does it, I'm not going to throw the remote, but I would be very surprised.
RE: RE: RE: BTW  
GMainer : 3:21 pm : link
In comment 17108911 Eric from BBI said:
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it's this point that makes it laughable when Schoen says nothing has changed. Schoen isn't making the pick. He'll have his recommendation. But that's it.



So who will be on the phone (trades etc.)



Probably Schoen. But again, he's not making the final decision.

Who is actually on the phone doesn't really matter (we've seen Daboll in that role too).


Lol. Daboll was never on the phones making trade deals or officially selecting a player, c'mon.

Ownership has said and even Schwartz reported that Schoen is the GM and has operated this offseason as he has in every previous season. I can't take the idea that he's just there to run the scouting department and be a figure head seriously.
Some are getting way too hung up on final decision  
UberAlias : 3:33 pm : link
As if one guy sitting in a room shooting down everyone else saying give me this guys round 1, that guys round 2. That's not how it works. And when they say that it's collaborative, it really is. The overall process doesn't change except to the extent that JH wins out in an impasse, which is likely not the intention of anyone in the room. Alignment and consensus is far more preferable in organizations.
RE: theone  
theone : 3:39 pm : link
In comment 17108876 Eric from BBI said:
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O'Connor said Harbaugh had final say. Maybe that's changed over time, but Harbaugh is calling the shots.
O’Connor might have been stretching it a little

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/ozzie-newsome-s-feelings-as-he-approaches-his-final-draft-as-gm-20511523

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/john-harbaugh-s-role-won-t-change-alongside-new-general-manager-eric-decosta

The dynamic in Baltimore was collaborative but the GM had the final authority. Apparently Harbaugh wanted it in Baltimore but never got it.
How is Waterfootball getting this 'inside' info?  
Big_Pete : 3:58 pm : link
Given that the inside leaks suddenly dried up with NYG media

At best it will be either from the prospects agents building up their clients or external observations from other scouts.

It is possible they have info from former Giants coaches/staff, but this will be out of date with Harbaugh's overhaul/\.

Either way they will have no real clue into who thinks what.
I Love These Proclamations  
Bernie : 4:05 pm : link
On day 1 of the combine. Just love them.
It is very possible  
compton : 4:10 pm : link
that the Giants front office likes Reese, downs and Love the most but the buck stops with Harbaugh. We don't know who Harbaugh likes.
RE: he might already know though  
JoeSchoens11 : 4:18 pm : link
In comment 17108801 bc4life said:
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had to have given it some thought when he was still with the Ravens. so he must have some idea who the top 5 or players are. yes/no?
I’m sure he had a good sense of the top guys but a HC of a team fighting for the playoffs isn’t going to be scouting these players. No one’s board is anywhere close to set and this year is even more muddled at the top than most.
They way it works in reality is  
HardTruth : 4:22 pm : link
Everyone is collaborative and does their part and job but everyone knows who is the “final boss” and subtly defer to them and their directives throughout the process so everyone lands where the final boss wants them to go

So when John Harbaugh ssid this


“To me, the number one thing is we have to have guys that love football. You just have to. It's football. What are we here for? What do we do? What is this building for? It's for football. This is a football team. We need guys that love everything about football. They love the games. They love the practices. They love the weightlifting. They love the meetings. They love the dining hall. They love every part of football. If you love football, guys, if you love football, you're going to want to be here. You're going to want to drive in that parking lot every single day. You're going to want to walk through those doors, you're going to want to walk up in those halls, you're going to want to get in front of that tape and watch tape every single day because you're going to be around a bunch of guys that love what you love. They love football, because that's what we're going to be doing, football, all the time, every day. If there's guys around that don't love football, Joe, we're probably going to let those guys go play someplace else because if you don't love football, you're not going to love it here because we'll be doing football. That's the plan.”

Emphasis on “JOE - were probably going to let those guys go play somewhere else” specifically calling him out and attention in his opening press conference

You know whats happening? Everyone involved throughout in scouting pro & college is revising their qualities to know who to identify and who to cross off

This hopefully avoids drafting an Evan Neal and Jalin Hyatt who clearly didn’t love football. Neal didn’t even bother going to Combine
RE: RE: Dids Schoen always  
Milton : 4:33 pm : link
In comment 17108814 Eric from BBI said:
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Again, the General Manager of the New York Giants has had ultimate authority to make all decisions since 1979.
It changed in 1998 when George Young retired. Ownership now has final say. Prior to that, Mara would have to fire Young in order to overrule him. It may seem like nothing, but it was important enough for Accorsi to point out when he first took over.
RE: RE: RE: Dids Schoen always  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4:40 pm : link
In comment 17108982 Milton said:
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Again, the General Manager of the New York Giants has had ultimate authority to make all decisions since 1979.

It changed in 1998 when George Young retired. Ownership now has final say. Prior to that, Mara would have to fire Young in order to overrule him. It may seem like nothing, but it was important enough for Accorsi to point out when he first took over.


Milton, ownership always has the final say with all teams.

Since 1979, on the books, the general manager of the Giants has had day-to-day final say on football operations.

That ended on January 17, 2026 at 3:15 PM.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
RE: RE: RE: RE: BTW  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4:42 pm : link
In comment 17108922 GMainer said:
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it's this point that makes it laughable when Schoen says nothing has changed. Schoen isn't making the pick. He'll have his recommendation. But that's it.



So who will be on the phone (trades etc.)



Probably Schoen. But again, he's not making the final decision.

Who is actually on the phone doesn't really matter (we've seen Daboll in that role too).



Lol. Daboll was never on the phones making trade deals or officially selecting a player, c'mon.

Ownership has said and even Schwartz reported that Schoen is the GM and has operated this offseason as he has in every previous season. I can't take the idea that he's just there to run the scouting department and be a figure head seriously.


We saw Daboll on the phone for a trade on one of those behind-the-scenes videos. Schoen even joked about it too.
RE: RE: theone  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4:44 pm : link
In comment 17108938 theone said:
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O'Connor said Harbaugh had final say. Maybe that's changed over time, but Harbaugh is calling the shots.

O’Connor might have been stretching it a little

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/ozzie-newsome-s-feelings-as-he-approaches-his-final-draft-as-gm-20511523

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/john-harbaugh-s-role-won-t-change-alongside-new-general-manager-eric-decosta

The dynamic in Baltimore was collaborative but the GM had the final authority. Apparently Harbaugh wanted it in Baltimore but never got it.


It would be nice to know who is telling the truth. But O'Connor (via Harbaugh) keeps saying he has the same power now that he did when he left Baltimore.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dids Schoen always  
Milton : 4:47 pm : link
In comment 17108984 Eric from BBI said:
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Milton, ownership always has the final say with all teams.

Since 1979, on the books, the general manager of the Giants has had day-to-day final say on football operations.
The peculiar thing about George Young's contract was that he had more power than a typical GM. Ownership could not overrule him without first firing him. I hadn't heard that before, but Accorsi pointed it out during one of the press conferences at the time he was promoted.
He definitely reported to the owner there  
UberAlias : 4:52 pm : link
Final say, I'm not sure about. I know they describe the process as being the same, just not sure if he actually held the buck stops here power that he does here.
The Lying Season  
George : 5:47 pm : link
has officially begun.
Wait...Leaks???  
Darth Paul : 5:59 pm : link
I thought we got rid of these.
WE ARE NOT DRAFTING A RB IN THE 1ST ROUND  
jnoble : 6:15 pm : link
Don't make me say it again.
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